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  • June 30, 2026
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Hey everyone in Germany, I’d like to gather some best practices on Overtime.

We are offering only TOIL to reduce overtime, the TOIL-policy is set up to reduce overtime automatically (no banking).

But, we see that many people have a lot of hours. I mean, how do you reduce 94h overtime?! This is 12 days off! And, the managers also do not take action…

We are already sending scheduled monthly reports to every department lead with the accumulated overtime for their team members.

How are you ensuring that team members take TOIL to reduce their overtime? How do you communicate that to the managers that it’s their responsibility to enable that people can take TOIL?

Thanks for some ideas!

Best,

Sandra

Best answer by Anna Bittner

Hi Sandra, 

 

I think there’s just a human element missing here. Maybe your managers don’t really know what to do with the monthly reports?

 

In cases like this, our manager first meets with the employee to find out why these hours accumulated. Afterward, the manager and HR hold a meeting to draft an overtime reduction plan and set a shared goal. We establish binding guidelines here; these could include, for example: 
- Daily working hours may not exceed 8 hours
- Overtime should only occur when there is an actual *operational* necessity
- The manager must be actively informed as soon as working hours exceed the standard workday, including an explanation of the reasons
- Timesheets will be approved by the manager in the coming months (at our company, timesheets are generally not approved, as we operate on a basis of trust)
- Vacation days and remaining vacation days must be taken into account (at least one continuous vacation period of 2 weeks)

 

And then, of course, it depends on the factors that have contributed to the current accumulation of overtime hours. These can vary widely, so you can’t just adopt a one-size-fits-all plan here - it has to be tailored to each individual situation. Possible reasons could include, for example, staff shortages, last-minute tasks or projects, taking on tasks that fall outside one’s own area of responsibility, etc. -> You’ll need to address these specifically and explore what options are available. 

Otherwise, a plan to reduce overtime hours could include the following points:
- Set a fixed average reduction in overtime hours per week (e.g., 4 hours per week or every other Friday off—depending on what’s possible in your case)
- Schedule and firmly plan individual days off / compensatory time off
- Continuously assess whether a further reduction in actual working hours is possible
- Redistribute tasks among team members, if possible
- Identify areas where the employee can be removed from the workflow (e.g., through automation, etc.)
- Support from the manager in prioritizing tasks and projects

 

Based on these results, we hold the manager accountable. In our organization, the heads of departments are responsible for both technical and disciplinary leadership. I’m not familiar with your structures or what steps you’ve already taken, so it’s difficult for me to answer your question about how the manager can be held more accountable. However, my experience shows that this is usually due to factors like a lack of knowledge and transparency. But maybe the managers just don't have the right tools. So perhaps you could simply sit down with your managers and/or employees, explain why this issue is so important to you (and to the employees themselves), and ask them directly what kind of support they might need from you? The more understanding you build, the easier it will be to implement these changes :)

 

Those are, for now, the main points I can share with you. 
I hope this helps you a bit. Otherwise, feel free to reach out to me directly - I’m always happy to chat :)

 

Happy week & best regards, 
Anna

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Hi Sandra, 

 

I think there’s just a human element missing here. Maybe your managers don’t really know what to do with the monthly reports?

 

In cases like this, our manager first meets with the employee to find out why these hours accumulated. Afterward, the manager and HR hold a meeting to draft an overtime reduction plan and set a shared goal. We establish binding guidelines here; these could include, for example: 
- Daily working hours may not exceed 8 hours
- Overtime should only occur when there is an actual *operational* necessity
- The manager must be actively informed as soon as working hours exceed the standard workday, including an explanation of the reasons
- Timesheets will be approved by the manager in the coming months (at our company, timesheets are generally not approved, as we operate on a basis of trust)
- Vacation days and remaining vacation days must be taken into account (at least one continuous vacation period of 2 weeks)

 

And then, of course, it depends on the factors that have contributed to the current accumulation of overtime hours. These can vary widely, so you can’t just adopt a one-size-fits-all plan here - it has to be tailored to each individual situation. Possible reasons could include, for example, staff shortages, last-minute tasks or projects, taking on tasks that fall outside one’s own area of responsibility, etc. -> You’ll need to address these specifically and explore what options are available. 

Otherwise, a plan to reduce overtime hours could include the following points:
- Set a fixed average reduction in overtime hours per week (e.g., 4 hours per week or every other Friday off—depending on what’s possible in your case)
- Schedule and firmly plan individual days off / compensatory time off
- Continuously assess whether a further reduction in actual working hours is possible
- Redistribute tasks among team members, if possible
- Identify areas where the employee can be removed from the workflow (e.g., through automation, etc.)
- Support from the manager in prioritizing tasks and projects

 

Based on these results, we hold the manager accountable. In our organization, the heads of departments are responsible for both technical and disciplinary leadership. I’m not familiar with your structures or what steps you’ve already taken, so it’s difficult for me to answer your question about how the manager can be held more accountable. However, my experience shows that this is usually due to factors like a lack of knowledge and transparency. But maybe the managers just don't have the right tools. So perhaps you could simply sit down with your managers and/or employees, explain why this issue is so important to you (and to the employees themselves), and ask them directly what kind of support they might need from you? The more understanding you build, the easier it will be to implement these changes :)

 

Those are, for now, the main points I can share with you. 
I hope this helps you a bit. Otherwise, feel free to reach out to me directly - I’m always happy to chat :)

 

Happy week & best regards, 
Anna


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  • June 30, 2026

Thank you so much, @anna bittner 

We have communicated why the managers get the scheduled reports; we often post in the manager channel to please check overtime regularly; in the past we contacted both the manager and the team member when they were above 24h to make a plan to reduce that. But, the more our company grows (now over 200), the less individual messages work.

Most of those overtime are from team members who are not German; and come from travelling or being at the customer site available more hours. As we now have team members with over 80h, we want to take action and approach managers with a plan / measures / consequences.

I think it would help if Bob could send out warnings from a certain overtime cumulation. I guess because of that weird “cycle” system that is not possible… We also were thinking of an automated task, but this is also not possible.

We also do not have approvals implemented for permanent employees, but maybe we should do that for some months (after we had a meeting with all the managers). Additionally we have Sunday or bank holiday work (logged by the manager) that gets honored with even more overtime, which is of course insane and puts overtime up more and more..

But your thoughts were already helpful, thanks a lot!

Best

Sandra


  • June 30, 2026

Hi Sandra,

ich schreibe Dir mal in Deutsch zurück, dass sollte hoffentlich alle in diesem Kanal verstehen.

Neben dem grundsätzlichen Problem des Owner-Ships von Führungskräften gibt es leider derzeit keine Möglichkeiten in Bob, die Arbeitszeiten systemseitig zu begrenzen.

Es fehlt die Möglichkeit:

- Begrenzung des Arbeitszeitrahmen, z.B. Buchungen nur erlaubt in dem Zeitraum von Mo-Fr. von 8-18 h. Derzeit kann an allen Tagen (auch Feiertagen) Arbeitszeit erfasst werden zu jeder Uhrzeit. Das führt ggf. nur zu einem Hinweis im Balance Sheet.

​​​​​ ​​- Es gibt keine Möglichkeit eine Höchstarbeitszeit pro Tag zu begrenzen (z.B. 10 h). Es gibt nur die Möglichkeit eines Reports wenn Höchstgrenzen überschritten werden

- Es gibt keine Möglichkeit des automatischen Cuttings von Überstunden am Ende einer Periode (z.B. mehr als 20 Stunden am Ende eine Quartals). 

Meine praktische Empfehlung ist eine interne Policy anzustimmen mit der GF und den FK, dass nach einer bestimmten Periode (z..B. Quartal) die Überstunden über eine bestimme Zahl (20 Std) durch HR gekappt werden. Die Mitarbeiter müssen natürlich die Möglichkeit bekommen, ihre Überstunden rechtzeitig abzubauen. 
Ihr könnt Euch dazu eine Liste im Reporting bauen und Euch nur die Überschreitungen anzeigen lassen und diese dann einzeln auf z.B. 20 Std. zu reduzieren. So werden wir das in Bob machen. Allerdings vermissen wir die sehr umfangreichen Einstellmöglichkeiten vom Zeiterfassungssystem Zeus. Bob ist zwar wesentlich intuitiver, allerdings bei weitem nicht so funktionsfähig wie Zeus. 

Aus diesem Grund suche ich auch noch andere Nutzer von Bob, die ebenfalls ein starkes Interesse an dem schnellen Ausbau der Funktionalitäten in Time & Attandence in Bob haben. Wer Interesse hat kann mir gerne eine Nachricht senden.


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  • July 1, 2026

Vielen Dank, Frank! Ja, wir sind auch SEHR an einer Produktverbesserung interessiert…. Wir haben halt “aufgegeben”. Ich verstehe gar nicht, wieso es keinen Cut auf eine Studenanzahl gibt. Ist das nicht ein großes Thema in den USA?

Auch das vorgeschriebene Working Pattern macht uns immer wieder Sorgen. Es gibt halt nicht die Möglichkeit, die Stunden flexibel auf 6 oder 7 Tage zu legen.

Vermutlich werden wir doch auf ein externes Tool zurückgreifen müssen, gerade wenn wir diese Flexibilität brauchen, wenn 24/7 und/oder on-call eingeführt wird.

Liebe Grüße

Sandra